remember on this day in 2000, al gore was ahead of george w. bush by two points. bush was leading him by about three points going into the last weekend. and went all the way to the supreme court. at this point in 1980, carter was leading reagan by four. there was a gallup with five days left that had him up by six. so i'm not particularizing this to chuck, but the pollsters and the press don't decide who shows up. the people who decide who shows up are the people knocking on doors, ringing door bells, making phone calls. and i think there's going to be a lot of surprises. >> but ed rendell, a lot of republicans like ralph like to go back to the reagan days. the difference is, as i have discussed this week with some pollsters, he was 20 points up after the convention. we had seen his ability to create wide swings. we haven't seen that in this race. it's much more polarized. right? >> no question. and ralph is right to some extent about the polls. but, look, we all know that the challenger gets a big bump in the first debate. no question about it. just appearing on